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@Tel @Aleums Long ago I heard that bicycles were the most efficient speed-per-"fuel"-unit vehicle ever invented. I wonder if this is true? I'd rather ask people than a search engine. :02smile:

@Tel @Aleums That's why I've always hated all this self-driving car bullshit. First, we're over 15 years away from autonomous cars. Second, bumper to bumper going at 100kph, 4 lanes of autonomous vehicles wouldn't even come close to the capacity of 1 train at 4 minute intervals. For the price of autonomous research (which is tax payer subsidized) we could literally just put rails in the street for individual autonomous rail transport.

I wrote a whole post on it:

@Tel @Aleums it'll be even worse when the cars can just drive themselves around. your car can just uber itself out after you commute to work, it never has to leave the road!

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I didn't know space was such a big deal compared to fossil fuel usage and pollution.
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Just because you can't see a difference in your everyday life, it doesn't mean that there is no difference. Electric cars are way less polluting than fossil fuel cars. Perhaps public transport is better than both on that front but you still can't deny that electric cars are way better than fossil fuel.
Also public transport only allows you to travel to a relatively small number of predefined stops whereas with a car you can go anywhere there is a road.

@Hyolobrika @Aleums electric cars may be strictly better for fossil fuel emissions by moving the power generation to power plants with here efficiency, but they still require elements mined in extremely destructive ways, in countries that get couped by the US on the orders of companies like Tesla.

But these memes are concerned with congestion which is not helped by electric or self driving cars and it's in fact exacerbated by them. That's all.

@Hyolobrika @Aleums one of"features" touted by self driving car companies is that the car will drive around the block while waiting for you so you don't have to pay for parking. And they'll come pick you up from places. So instead of the road being full of mostly empty cars it will be full of entirely empty cars

@Tel @Aleums really? I had never heard of that. Wow.
Do you have a link?

Public transportation is not available for so many decades already,was never in many many places. And it wasn't because it's not economically worth it. Wouldn't mind if that changed, but a person can buy a car for its needs, that's feasible.

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Besides classical line based public transportation is not standing, also moves with no passengers. Whereas autonomous cars can go wherever they are needed. Instead most cars are standing and falling apart quite soon these days. And those materials you talk about can be recycled already with a rate of more than 90% today instead of being taking from the earth all the time like fossil fuels; there still is quite some room for improvement.

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