When people use the term snowflake unironically, just remember they're quoting Fight Club, a satire written by a gay man about how male fragility causes men to destroy themselves, resent society and become radicalized. and that Tyler Durden isnt the hero but a personification of the main character's deep insecurities, and that his snowflake speech is a dig at how fascists use dehumanizing language to breed loyalty from insecure people.

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@jacethechicken narcissism is an aspect of this too. the protagonist sees himself as the main character in his own movie (...) and insists the film be one that gives him the kind of role he feels he deserves, and all his actions and interactions are to this end throughout. the narrative structure of the movie we see parallels the narrative structure of the one he constructs for himself. he needs a villain, so he invents one; a love interest, so he finds one, etc.

@jacethechicken that's why he has such a problem with her seeing him at the support groups: it interferes with how he goes there to see himself.

this narcissism plays easily into fascism as well, because its ability to construct a compelling manichaean narrative, and its encouragement for adherents and would-be adherents to do so within its precepts, makes it perhaps uniquely useful among ideological genera to fulfill the narcissist's need for story as a means of contextualizing the self.

@jacethechicken not that we don't all use stories to contextualize ourselves, of course, but for a narcissist the story one constructs for oneself doesn't suffice; they require others to see them as they see themselves, even - especially - when their words and actions tell a very different story of them. "who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?"

this is why narcissists are such toxic and dangerous people - why they make such good abusers, and such good fascists too.

violence, fascism, narcissism 

@jacethechicken after all, violence is an effective tool for forcing the people around one to at least convincingly pretend they see one as one demands to be seen. but the individual abuser can only do so much, whereas fascism, as an ideological genus which enshrines redemptive violence as a tool for forcing its story on *everyone*, offers much broader scope, and that has an appeal of its own for those who seek to do so already.

@alexis @jacethechicken

this actually plays well into the theory that Marla isn't real either but a fragment of the MC's self

@solder_on @jacethechicken that would check out! i haven't seen the movie in a minute but we never see her interact with anyone beyond the protagonist or durden, do we?

@solder_on @jacethechicken that said, we'd argue very strongly against the idea that "a fragment of the MC's self" equals "not real". or, at least, if that's true then no one's "self" is "real", except inasmuch as they affect the reality we all to some greater or lesser extent share. that, we can get behind, but the idea that there exists some platonically indivisible "real self" of which some aspects exist and others are mere delusion, needs many questions answered to become at all plausible

@alexis @jacethechicken

was more angling that she is part of a fragmented whole, the narrator's psyche

(trust that I'm aware fragments are very, very real)

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@solder_on @jacethechicken yeah, for sure!

this resonates for us in a personal way, tbh. we created one another out of the person who was here before, because he was in a place where no one did love him, or would, and if we didn't do something about that we were going to die. we invented ourselves to help each other make ourself whole, and we did and do just that

the protag of the movie, though...

plurality, uncomfortable thoughts 

@solder_on @jacethechicken it feels like he did similar, but just to reify his story, and even crushed that of himself that saw himself truly into a cipher that'd first validate his obsessions and then motivate his redemption arc

it's a frankly hideous act of self-directed violence, and the simultaneous keen introspection and total lack of insight or empathy that would require may be the most frightening thing in a film that's implicitly quite horrifying already

@solder_on @jacethechicken ...which also checks out for a narcissist, really. manipulation requires understanding how people work well enough to know what levers to pull, but if a person like that ever really sees what they've made of themself without having a story - a lie - to filter it through, they won't be able to exist as what they are any longer, and will have to change in some way - won't be able to *not*.

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@alexis @jacethechicken

I found it pretty relatable myself TBQH, and like, yeah. ditto, as unimaginative as that response is

(more explanation isn't a thing I can do yet, I guess)

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@solder_on @jacethechicken none is required! our willingness to speak about ourselves and our relationship imposes no obligation on anyone else to do likewise.

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@alexis @jacethechicken

appreciated ❤️ truly

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@solder_on @jacethechicken tbh we wonder if there's enough of something novel to say here, in the relationship of this film and plurality, to merit an essay...

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@alexis @jacethechicken

seems possibly plausible to me

@alexis @jacethechicken

also the support groups argument line. "You can't have the WHOLE BRAIN!"

@alexis @jacethechicken

mmmhm. I kicked myself for missing that every damn time I saw it

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